Very impressive Japanese Game Engine used by Square Enix

I was googling for Unity image effect reference when I happened upon this company that produce several lines of middleware products..
First up:


YEBIS 2
Real-time post processing effects middleware
http://www.siliconstudio.co.jp/middleware/yebis/en/









Then:

OROCHI
The all-in-one game engine
http://www.siliconstudio.co.jp/middleware/orochi/en/product/library/













Some more screenshots where they talk about the engine:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/3dcg/20120601_531815.html








The thing about this engine is that it reminds me a lot of Unity.... except its a little bit more polish visually (with nifty utilities that are similar to the ones you can find in the Unity Asset Store) and at the same time its also very rough around the edges. It seems to be aiming similar to Unity - trying to be multi-platform and targeting DX11 and OGL ES 2.0+ mobile devices.

 

Yeah I saw the tech demo for this engine a little while ago. So impressive.

 

amazeing.... lol

 

If we can one day make artificial simulations that are indistinguishable from reality (and at this rate we will be able), then it's possible that hundreds of thousands of years have passed since recorded history and countless different reality simulations have been made like the matrix. It is mathematically more likely that we are in a simulation ourselves rather than being the one original reality.

 

Hm.

 

I saw the tech demos awhile back. It looked very impressive if it was real time

 

it is realtime

 

That looks like in house engine, anyways, square Enix are doomed. FF it's not the same anymore, they should leave Enix .

 

Highly unlikely... there profits are up from last year.

Anyway, this looks great, I saw the demo but I think they show the PC version maxed and then the other versions will be massively S*** compared... (PS vita I'm looking at you!)

Oh and there are flaws... they should not have shadows when there invisible.

 

So are we even real, or just fine tuned code . Are some of us code and some of us batteries .

Then again you have to keep in mind that great civilizations tend to collapse , like Rome .

 

I guess it depends on why they are invisible. Something that simply projects the image around them onto their clothing would still have shadows underneath...

 

someone tested it?

http://www.siliconstudio.co.jp/middleware/yebis/en/trial/download/

 

Watching the showcase videos, they are clearly very proud of their light flares. :/

 

I've got most of this done in the simian framework I have, it's capable of a lot of effects all playing off each other (similar to a deferred render but manually done thanks to render textures, and a few tricks). All this is doable in unity today, but unfortunately the biggest issue is always the time taken to create a framework and shaders for the epic look you're looking for.

In short, its hard work. Tools look a little too un-user friendly for my tastes at the moment, but its still my fave "look" of current AAA engines out there

 

What? so you could have this quality graphics in Unity? could you post a screenshot!?!

 

I can appreciate the technology but would not buy games which look like post processing showcase. Yech.

 

Yes. Unity provides a renderer, it's up to you what you render with it.

Other engines look "better" because they have cooler stuff out of the box. Engines which allow lower-level access to the rendering system might let you implement things in a more performant manner, but I'm not experienced enough at effects programming to know.

 

Orochi is amazing, but almost all its tools and docs are localized for japanese devs only.
The other one, all I saw and know about it is that most of its tools are based on Autodesk Maya, very customized, modified Maya package.

 

Screenshots or it didn't happen !

 

You'll have to buy our games to see them

What you are seeing with this engine is the result of hard work. For example you will have a lot of power the moment you render to a texture. From that you know what is light, what is dark. You can use mipmaps or render to a smaller texture for blur, for threshold (light sparkles) and other tricks. You can render the final composite onto another mesh for the end post fx - and all this can be done on mobile with reasonable framerates (I imagine not with shadows so something will have to give on current hardware).

I don't know what is more sad - users being surprised at this being done in unity, or the fact people are unaware unity can do this in unity pro out of the box with some careful tweaking. The reason we are essentially duplicating unity's own post fx with our own twist on it is because of speed, our versions are less accurate, take more time to author (tweaking specific FX meshes for example) and so on, so we can get a good looking mobile engine up. In The other Brothers, we've got an array of these effects already, although retro doesn't show it off that good. Stuff like vignetting, colour tinting, screen burn, it's all in there but played down. And it works nice on mobile.

The question isn't "can unity do this" but "how to make it fast in unity" and "how much does all this artwork cost?"

 

Yes? the point is not that it could actually be done... it was that it has been done.

 

Where is the buy now link , Steam ?

 

Lol - This is all Square Enix screen shots to show off the engine - Of course its going to look good.

Its like Unity only using Shadowgun screen shots to show what can be done with Unity.

I look at those screens and see a bunch of hard work.

Besides, Square can make anything look good. The movie 'Final Fantasy - The Spirits Within' was done with 3D Studio 4 (in dos!!) 10 years ago, and it still looks good.

zipper

 

lol... if we are all in a simulation, it doesn't have to be photo-realistic, because we all don't know what is realistic

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)

 

All those effets can be done in Unity with aproximative heavy math operations to make them faster (at the cost of not being 100% accurate). I've achieved multiple post-process in our mobile game with almost no impact on performance.

 

It could be happening right now and how we look is just due to the graphical style...

(Dam someone already said it )

 

Would that be almost no performance impact even on slower (iPhone 3GS) devices? What kind of post process stuff are you talking about and how is that done? Custom shaders?

 

@jerotas,
I'm talking about custom replacement shaders but 3GS is very slow for any good post process, even with the simplest (and/or most optimized) ones you notice lots of performance drop. I was mostly referring to iPhone4S or similar mobile hardware and up.

 

Ok, were you planning on selling those on the asset store?

 

This ^^

 

Yes but not now, when we get close to gold state I'll publish them on the AS.

 

Awesome!

 

"Discovering" this isn't that easy or happens by accident. I didn't know about a lot of things Unity could do until I saw the video clip on this page:

http://www.i3dtutorials.com/tutorial/85_post-processing-effects-in-unity-3d

The post processing effects is why I'm going to eventually be forced to buy Unity Pro. I want a game that stands apart from the rest, so I really don't have much of a choice. It's the visuals that really separate the free version from the pro version - and until people realize it, they will continue to be awed by other engines.

 

Are you sure this movie is good? This movie is the reason Squaresoft almost vanished from earth and they had to sell out to Enix... This movie is the reason why Hironobu Sakaguchi left Squaresoft and Final Fantasies became all crap since he's gone and Square-Enix born.

 

Anyone else see this, or just me ?

I think they copied and pasted Unity's FAQ, because it still says unity on some of them. Hahaha

 

LOL

 

Great find. I think we should all not say anything outside of this place and see how long they keep it there.

 

Epic fail on the copy pasta
If they copy even the FAQ, imagine what they are doing regarding tools and workflow...
Now imagine if their graphical pipeline is ctrl+c ctrl+v from Epic/CryTech. rofl!

Edit, Ok that screenshot is fake. Nice try.

 

No, no its not. https://www.siliconstudio.co.jp/middleware/yebis/en/faq/

 

The "How can I become a Unity reseller?" got me right in the sides.

Hahahha

 

The page I read here says it is a middleware paid per project and per platform.
This faq must be a joke.

 

BUSTED! LMAO! No wonder when I saw this engine I felt there is something familiar about it... I guess they are probably copying Unity!

UT, SUE THEM! SUE THEM TIL THEY GO BROKE AND THEN ACQUIRE THEM AND INTEGRATE IT BACK INTO UNITY! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

 

Yo... A silicon bird told me today Yebis2 is probably coming to Unity Pro.
From what I heard, a plugin is already on the works. May be something interesting if they overcome Unity's limitations imposed by closed source.

 

Did you took your pills this morning? lol

 

All those post-process in Yebis2 can be re-created in Unity fairly easy.

 

I always believed Japan made better games.

 

As long as I love Unity, I'll not conceal the fact that that images are awesome. Look at them again, they speak too loud, especially the ones without "flare". See them through a hardcore gamer's eyes. This can be done in Unity? I'm all for it. it'd be nice to see screenshots like this, it'd make me very happy.

I looked at Shadowgun. I also know Battlestar Galactica Online, Oliver Spike, and a few others. Honestly, it doesn't compare.

Unity has a million advantages, like cross-platform, but we don't need to force advantages that is not necessarily there. I use Unity for the other several advantages.

Hey, this would be awesome!

 

There's no magic trick on those effects, that's just very well done assets and some post-process. I can't speak for the assets but those post-process can be done fairly easy with Unity. Now that it supports DX11 and compute shaders, the only limit it's your hardware (and your skills ). Of course, it would be very awesome if Unity have even more build-in shaders and image-effects so it will fit very well everyone but isn't a Unity limitation. In fact Unity have one of the best rendering pipeline out there (and it's really well optimized), you just have to know how to write shaders and a good imagination. ^^

 

Screenshots? I think Unity graphics are great, but if it can do everything any engine do, why no one does?

That said, if Unity comes with an hyper-realistic rendering in the future, I hope they also include the option to use the shaders we have now, because in several cases I think it is more beautiful, not in realism but in an art sense.

I'm tired of this general talk about skills every time there is an engine comparison... If you take this talk to its basic concepts, you know there are other "general purpose engines" out there. You may have heard of them. They're called Assembly and C. It can render any graphics Unity does, it all depends on your skills The only problem is people complain too much about them, instead of getting the job done!