Love Sounds

I think it's time for a 60s revival then.

 

That's interesting to know about paypal & credit card companies. Is that why everyone always brings singles to strip clubs? heh. Oh, oops... I just called strippers "products". I am tainted by the patriarchy :c

 

All violence is fine as long as there is absolutely no sex in your violence.

Nobody is afraid of sex. Nobody wants to talk about sex, because it's personal. It's one of the most powerful parts of human nature and if you introduce somebody to it too early, they might wind up scarred for life. Violence, on the other hand, is impersonal and somehow carries much lighter psychological ramifications in the human mind.

It's sort of like The One Ring, everybody wants it and that makes it evil.

 

There's plenty of violence that's personal, so that can't be it.

 

If you're just going to try that route, you could also say that sex can be impersonal? There's merit to what I said, or I wouldn't have said it.

 

It's pornography vs. horror, when taken to its logical extreme. Stephen King said in Danse Macabre that sex is scary, though. So, perhaps we're just much more adapted to dealing with the violent aspects of our inner gorilla-in-a-cage than we are at dealing with the sexual aspects of said gorilla. So, we're afraid that if we let the sexual gorilla out we might have no control over what he does, where we are free to let our violent gorilla out because, ultimately, if he gets too out-of-control we can just taze his ass and put him back in the cage, no sweat.

 

I told my wife what I think, and I said, "Imagine if the entire world was just 6.5 billion alcoholics. How tightly locked up would the liquor be?" To which she responded, "So, you're saying the whole world is a bunch of sex addicts?"

She shook her head awkwardly, the way you do when you answer your own question.

Once we evolve past the need for sexual desire... we might just cease to exist as a species, so I'd be willing to bet sex is wired in there right next to the part that controls heart beat and breathing. :/

 

I'm going to disagree with that last line. Experimenting sexually at an early age, with those within your own age range, outside of a situation where one is coerced into it, can be, and often is, a very healthy thing. Sex is (in general) pleasurable, loving, and happy, and is the sole reason we're all here in the first place. There is nothing inherently wrong with sex. When it gets distorted, when children (or adults) are introduced and coerced into it by someone who is manipulative and not in their age range, that's when things go bad. Evil even, if you will.

Violence, on the other hand, is always bad. It serves no good, other than to cause pain. It carries heavy psychological ramifications in the minds of those who have been affected by it, especially as children. I speak as an adult who still feels the destructive shadow of the violence I suffered through as a child. There is no good reason for violence to exist, other than for violent people to exert their will over those less powerful.

You said nobody is afraid of sex, we're just afraid of being too personal. That may be true. We're afraid of being personal, of sharing ourselves openly with other humans, so instead we fantasize about killing them.

 

Yeah I've since changed my opinion slightly, to quite literally be that everybody is afraid of sex.

Rather than dirty delete, I just leave it up there as part of the developing discussion.

 

"Violence, on the other hand, is always bad."

So you're a vegan?

 

Not at all. Just because I believe something is bad doesn't mean I don't partake in it myself. I was stating a fact. Violence, by its very nature, is bad. It leads to pain. It can lead to happiness, as well, for those on the "winning" side (eating a delicious steak, for instance), but that doesn't change the fact that when violence is involved, someone always suffers.

 

I don't think you can necessarily evaluate what is good or bad for the whole of human existence, though your mileage may vary.

I would just say that violence is a necessary part of human life, just like sex. I guess it's another one of those times where I just don't see how one thing is better/worse than the other, especially since both are inseparable from the human experience. If you say violence is bad, it's a condemnation of life, life is then bad. I don't think you're saying that, though. I think you're saying interpersonal violence is worse than human sexual relations, so why is one glorified while the other is demeaned... ?

 

Pretty much, yeah.

Then we're in [dis]agreement then. Let's just disagree to agree. Agreed?

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Life = survival, whatever else

Survival = violence, sex, whatever else

If every part of life is "bad" where does the good show up?

There are people, after all, that believe the human race is just a bunch of planet killing parasites.

 

Then I reiterate that we've had thousands of years to learn to control our violent nature, so we let it out to play more than our sexual nature, which I submit we have far less control over. Both violence and sex are wired in, though. Watch Clockwork Orange for further research.

 

No time for the old in-out, love. Just came to check the thread.

 

I'm not trying to be difficult. But if sex and violence are bad, what parts of life are good? Because whatever you name, people are going to disagree. Furthermore, my point is that life can't be evaluated as "good" or "bad", so I'm trying to illustrate the absurdity of claiming that life, or any part of life, is reducible to a tidy little "good" or "bad".

 

Not even sure what that means.

 

Good and bad are subjective, of course. Life itself is neither good nor bad, it simply is. We, the living, however, live in a subjective existence. Something within that subjective existence can be good, or bad, or both, or neither. Violence is "bad", when one is the victim. It's "good" when one is the victor. The fact that is is always bad to someone is why I qualify it as "always bad". You can disagree on whether violence is always bad to someone, but those are my feelings.

Sex is neither good nor bad, subjectively. "Bad" people can skew it towards bad, and "good" people can skew it towards good. Sex can be always good, though, given the right partners.

Eating, playing games, singing, sitting on the couch, dancing, driving, etc. All of that can be "good" and all of that can be "bad." None of them are always bad to one of the involved parties. Violence is. It is the one thing (that I can think of) that will always leave at least one person (or animal, or thing) worse off than they were before the violence took place.

 

You tell me to watch Clockwork Orange, and you don't know the line. Might I suggest watching Clockwork Orange for further research?

 

Those people are doing it wrong. When you view the human race as a parasite, you're supposed to be shaken down to your core in overwhelming joy by the fact that the very acts you despise will eventually wipe out the entire human race. You can mourn the species that will fall before we do, but at least be happy that humanity will bring it's own painful end before the sun will

I use the same logic in politics. Why should young people not vote and everyone else vote republican? So we can hurry up and jumpstart WW3 and have mutually assured [nuclear] destruction! Everyone you've ever hated or wished gone, all reduced to ash... even the innocent will be culled by the actions of the violent. But it is a worthy sacrifice to bring peace amongst the smoldering remains.

Now that's how you write an interesting monologue. That writer(s) of hatred got nothin' on a passing thought of mine.

 

Not sure what a sex reference means in the context of internet discussion.

 

@superpig

See? Lol

 

That's your opinion... You're obviously quite adept at understanding the subtle nuances that form different people's views and opinions.

It's hard to believe that when you created this thread you were genuinely curious.

 

I don't know why we're equating game violence or game sex with real life.

It's not real life guiz, this is the interwebs.

 

Pff, I don't go to parties. I spend all of my time dreaming & coding.

Interweb life > real life. Dream life > real life. Code life > all life.

 

ahem... "Love Sounds".

 

So you're saying that discourse = intercourse?

I have to delete a lot of history, then.

 

You are such a troll ;-)

You don't get why sex is better than violence?

So I (hot blond) and my hot twin sister make you an offer: steaming hot sex for a night or brutal violence for a night, tormenting you to death. What you gonna choose?

 

Ask mormons. I think it's all great, 'til someone gets hurt then there's lawsuits and causes and people with axes to grind... and not real axes, that would rule, metaphorical axes.

 

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Are there more choices? Both of those sound equally repulsive to me :/ I'd rather study you and merge your intelligence into the ai I'm building to replace my mom's favorite dog when it passes.

 

Now you're not saying sex is better than violence you're saying violence sucks, violence is bad... Which is fundamentally judgmental and a little narrow minded if you ask me.

 

That's a little incestuous, no?

Even if he disagrees or agrees, it doesn't really matter. The key difference is that he's not curating a store based on his emotions.

 

I could also be a guy for you, no worries.

Oh, so we are related, good to know...

 

Well, you and your twin sister...

 

haha, I meant the fact that the offer was sexual at all. I'm beyond that.

 

It's not based on emotions. That's what anti-_____ people go on. It's based on people's propensity for filling lawsuits when you put genitals in front of their kids. But do keep trying to make a thing out of this.

 

I see what you did thar.

An altered query based on if you want to view explicit material or not? It should have been there to begin with if they cared about children seeing material they should not(i.e: the gore).

 

Ultimately parents are normally responsible for what their children view while online. But once sex comes into the picture everything is all topsy turvy and all bets are off. You could have filters all day but when a 13 year old kid logs in to download some assets with her parents permission and the filter is off for whatever reason... disaster.

Why not just suggest that Unity remove violence as well? While you're at it, maybe you can change the whole of American culture. I doubt it but good luck with it anyway.

 

"We but mirror the world. All the tendencies present in the outer world are to be found in the world of our body. If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. This is the divine mystery supreme. A wonderful thing it is and the source of our happiness. We need not wait to see what others do." - Gahndi

 

"I have come to the conclusion that it's a waste of time to have too much pride in anything. Perhaps it's good to have a sense of duty, a jealous zeal to protect or improve, but pride ultimately is only that which stands vulnerable to offense and degradation."

Henry Rollins

Come on everybody... it's quotin' time! Anybody got a good one from David Bowie?

 

"...And these children
that you spit on
as they try to change their worlds
are immune to your consultations.
They're quite aware
of what they're going through..."
-David Bowie

 

Whoooo!!

 

Well I was going to go with "Be the change you want to see" but I have an aversion to bumper-sticker misquotes, so the whole actual quote it was. Sometimes quotes work. You quoted me, for instance, to make your point.

 

I know I'm just having fun.

 

Oh, you wanna have fun?

“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known." - Hillary Clinton

It just got real son.

 

I don't think you could have found a more depressing quote from a more depressing person.