Ancient boats by Random creations

I decided to start some kind of little quiz here.

And the question is: What do you think about the price of this asset pack?

a) Why do you put such a price?

b) I'm ok with that. Go ahead.

c) I think that price is high and it may be reduced.


if you think, that it must be reduced - then tell why?

For my part I will try to answer all your questions

 

I think this is a beautiful asset and probably worth the price.

However, Unity assets do not always sustain high prices unless they are large packs or have a "famous" developer creating the package, especially with models. So not sure how many sales you will get. People look and say..that is a lot for 5 boats!

They are stunning though. So who knows. You can always wait a bit and see and lower the price if you don't get sales.

On the other hand, if you lower the price a bit and people buy them and like them, your next assets would be even more popular.

I guess one way to think of it...these are non-exclusive assets. My friend Cobus tells me that lowering the price means more people will buy them and sales are better..therefore the income generated is better. He can make more money that way.

Another choice...lower the price, get some sales and reviews and then add more boats, upping the price as you add more. Lots of different sale models out there.


It is ultimately your choice and you should choose what you think the product is worth.

 

Yeah, i know what you actually mean) But for such a price was a reason. And a reason is - there was a lot of artwork done by hand (i havent seen automatic stuff for creating paintings on boats yet). So - after all of that, not only painting on boats was done by hand, but also birchbark texture on 1st indian kanoe too (i don't like to use somebody's commercial stuff in my works - like textures and so on). And after all of that, making it all look perfect on Unity. Work on them took 1.5 months. I'm ready to give quality - but i also appreciate my time that i have spent to archieve it.

So - this was an explanation for price)

 

And you should. I love the boats and I think they are worth it. I don't mind paying for such stuff especially as they are important to my game. You will get my sale eventually, promise!

 

Everybody must do that)

 

I'll take a break from everything connected with boats) But of course i'm planning return to them. Because...i create things randomly

 

For the amount of work you put into it, I think they are worth it. Unfortunately I'm not sure how that will pan out in the asset store though. From talking to other artists, it sounds like the challenge is finding the sweet spot for driving income. Even though the quality looks amazing, I imagine you will sell a lot less of the packs whereas if you priced it at a lower price point you could quickly surpass your total sales. If it were me, I probably would have went for more around a $40 price point on the hopes that the lower price would help drive quantity of sales for more income.

Either way, this looks like an awesome asset and it has been added to my wishlist so it is there when it comes to a time I am ready to add boats to a project.

What are your plans for updates? Are you planning to cap out the number of boats in the pack at some set point? Are you doing price increases with the updates? If so, will there be a charge for current customers to update or will updates be free to existing customers of the pack as early adopter type deal with new customer just paying the higher price?

Your boats look amazing! Keep up the awesome work!

 

Thanks Shawn67!

I'm think about this...

 

Here is what i come up with:

I decided to break up the set on separately available in their price model.

This was done for three reasons:

1) I realized that someone will need some specific model or models of the set, rather than the entire set.

2) This gives the customer the freedom that he could choose which model (-s) to buy, because it always depends on the needs of the project, on which he or she is working at the moment.

3) This will show a real interest of clients in respect of a particular model.

But Asset packs will remain be available at their own price.

I think this will help both sides to archieve their goals)

 

Will the individual cost added together be more than the combined?

 

Yes

 

Ahh, so will you remove the grouped asset then?

 

IMO, you may as well keep the grouped asset, and have the individual boats available separately. Other publishers do this.

 

That means No, i wont remove them.

 

Okay, I see what you mean.

 

That sounds like a good plan. I think this will be a great way to allow people also to buy a single boat for evaluation purposes. Then they can get addicted to your boats and know for sure they want the big pack without having to lay out the price of the full pack. A lot of us with smaller budgets appreciate having that option so we know for sure that dropping all our pennies for the month into a single asset purchase is worth it.. heheh

Will there be an option to upgrade the single asset to the pack asset?

 

I want them all!!! Muahahahaha!

 

If I (as a publisher) can do so in Asset Store, then why not)
(If I understand you correctly, you meaned will you need to pay extra for already bought Boat, when you will buy the Asset Pack that already has same Boat in it? Of course I think you shouldn't. So, i'm checking this right now).

The thing is that i'm new to this - that's why i'm tryng to understand how all it works. In any work there are some nuances, to be aware of if you want to succeed in it.

 

The asset store now has an option where publishers can have a pack setup as an upgrade from another pack for a discounted price. For instance if I had bought the eskimo kayak, you would set a price for a customer to upgrade the eskimo kayak to the full pack at an upgrade price. Likewise for the other boats. At least I think that is how it works. I haven't worked with upgrades myself, but from my understanding, that is how they work.

 

Ok. I will check that out

 

Excellent idea, Shawn! And it would drive sales. They would buy one boat, realize how nice it is and be more likely to upgrade to the full pack.

Unluck does this with his products. With HerdSims if you buy the sheep version, you get a break on the full version. Lots of other developers do this as well. If you buy RTP, you get break on buying Uber, etc.

 

It depends on answer to question: Are you want to see more boats (or maybe ships) in future?)

by the way: i submitted boats for review

 

Whichever.. I was just interested in your plans for the pack. If there are planned updates or if five boats is it. If more, would they be free updates to existing customers or would we have to pay additional to get the added boats? Not an issue either way.

 

Well, if i will add new boats, in future then of course you will need to buy them. If this will be an update to the existing content, then will be free or not will depend on what will consist of a these updates.

So, overall picture will look something like this:
small update - free.
medium update - the margin will be equal to 30% of the value of the boat.
heavy update - the margin will be equal to 60% of the value of the boat.

 

"Of course" isn't so obvious, which is why I asked.. A lot of artists seem to be creating their packs as soon as they have at least three things for the pack (Protofactor with his recent creature packs, SFBay guy with his creatures and dragons packs, etc).. And what they do is have the pack at a discounted price from what the full pack would be in order to encourage early adopters before having the full pack. The benefit to the customer is they get the pack cheaper and the benefit to the artist is they get some income going before the pack is complete. New customers pay a higher price as models are added to the pack, but existing customers enjoy the new content at no additional cost since the bought into the package early. Both business models work, I was just asking to find out which you were planning since you didn't mention. Plus having it stated somewhere may save you the headache of people freaking out when you add models to the pack down the road but want to charge extra for them to upgrade to get those new models if they are used to working with artists that use the other business model.

 

Sorry, but i cant accept that B-model

 

No worries. Was just looking for clarification. Thanks!

 

Meanwhile...

 

Ha!!! I was just looking at pictures of coracles to make my own. Very nice! Can't wait to see it textured.

 

From now on you can buy every boat separately from other and from entire set:

Malecite https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64668
Ojibwe https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64777 Price - 17$
Yami https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64783 Price - 25$
Haida https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/#!/content/64787 Price - 20$
Eskimo https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64788 Price - 17$

Upgrades are also available now:

From Indian kanoe - Ojibwe to Ancient civilization - Boats = 48$
From Yami kanoe to Ancient civilization - Boats = 40$
From Haida kanoe to Ancient civilization - Boats = 45$
From Eskimo kayak to Ancient civilization - Boats = 48$

Now comes the interesting part:

First kanoe - Malecite (or Indian kanoe A) - set free (i did that because it was my very first asset on asset store).
Ancient civilizations - Boats price lowered from 80$ to 65$ (because first boat is now free).

 

So you do not have to buy it - from now it's free)

 

Hi Jandar-Man, just thought I'd leave a message saying that I'm really impressed with your boats. I love historical accuracy in general and loved your free Indian kanoe. The full pack priced at $65 is out of my reach, as I'm just using Unity as a hobby and probably wouldn't use all the boats. However, I'm considering buying your Eskimo kayak (in the future), which looks like one of your best models. Just a quick question though, do you happen to have UFPS? I was only asking because I was wondering how easy it would be to put the UFPS player inside the kayak and have him use the oars to steer the boat. I believe this is possible, just wondering whether you have done this yourself. Thanks a lot. Jon.

P.S. Just my opinion about the comment you wrote above "By the way - about longboats, i haven't seen too many of them on store, but never mind. Anyway probably they won't attract too much attention if they would be there.".

My favourite 3D modeller is Junnichi Suko for many reasons, but one in particular is that he has focused on exotic species which aren't just rare on the Asset Store, but in specialised 3D modelling web stores like TurboSquid. So I don't believe that only popular models sell, in fact that there are many hobbyists that use Unity (I estimate about 40%) who no doubt would be very interested in seeing niche boats being sold.

Also, another boat I would definitely buy would be an Amazon river boat used by indigenous peoples of the Amazon Rainforest.

 

Hi Jon Finlay! First of all - Thank you for your honest assessment of my labors.
About your question - no, i did not use UFPS. But i think there will be no problem if you want to make behavior like this in your game, because I created them not to, they just looked beautiful) My main reason was to make them for such behaviors.

You mean this?

 

Hey Jander Man. That boat would be interesting, although what I actually had in mind was a boat used by indigenous people of the Amazon, preferably from Ancient times, similar to those used by the Inca's, except I don't believe they occupied the Amazon. I'll need to check this. That boat looks like a modern-day tourist boat, similar to the ones in England. Tomorrow I'll do a bit of research and share some ideas. That being said that boat could also work well, just not if I would use or not so couldn't give you a definite answer.

Your free Canoe works fine with UFPS. I only needed to increase its size (to 2.5) and the UFPS player pops in nicely. This should also work with the Eskimo boat as well, although I'll probably need to make a few changes as the hole is smaller.

Also, very pleased to see you are now selling the boats individually, and at a very reasonable price the considering the quality. Tomorrow I'll post some examples of the Amazon boats. Cheers.

 

I'm glad to hear that. Ok. Post your research here, and i'll see what i can do with that. Honestly saying, i'm curious how it looks (your amazon boat)

 

PS: I need to say that models was created in original dimensions. So, maybe UFPS player is 2.5 times bigger than it must be...

 

Yes, I never doubted your boat models are actual size considering the details diagrams and maps you've drawn up. I increased the size to give the player more room to move about on the boat, but I'll experiment with the original size later. I've even put an owl sitting down at the end of the boat, in front of a candle, looks really nice. I had to create my own box colliders as well, because I couldn't get the boat to move using the Mesh Collider as it's not supported with rigidbodies.

Looks great using with Aquas, the water system I'm using. The next version includes buoyancy, so hopefully the boat will be able to float by itself on the water. Maybe you could work together with that developer to include some high quality screenshots on your product description page using them both together.

EDIT: After a bit of research I think the most interesting boat of the ancient Americas was the Totora Reed Boat, which has been used for 3000 years and also used by the Incas. The most interesting variation appears to be the fishing boat which has a little hut on the boat. Here are few images:

Pic 1 - - Pic 2 - - Pic 3

The reed boat was also used in Ancient Egypt and other locations around the world, including from biblical stories, so you have many variations to choose from.

 

Maybe)
but for now i have other matters to handle

 

I updated that previous post with some ideas for an Inca Reed boat, I think I posted it the same to you replied so you may have missed it.

 

Ohh, i see now. Yeah, i saw it somewhere before. It's like a catamaran - but not exacly. Interesting boat - i recorded it. But as i said earlier - now i can't switch to it. There are other boats already in my queue After them maybe i will create that one)...

 

No worries, I've already set my heart on the Eskimo kayak, so that should keep me entertained for a while

 

Gorgeous boat, @jonfinlay

Nice one to add to the list.

 

Since i'm very busy right now i came here with the news - namely: this month 50% discount

 

Thank you!

 

You are welcome!

 

1 week left before discount expiration.

 

Hi everyone!

Christmas sale prices:

• Ancient Civilizations - Boats:

https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/62514 - (16$) 54% off

• Indian kanoe - Ojibwe:

https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64777 - (5$) 70% off

• Eskimo kayak:

https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64788 - (5$) 70% off

• Haida kanoe:

https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64787 - (5$) 75% off

• Yami kanoe:

https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/64783 - (6$) 75% off

 

ps: by the way - any ideas of what you want to see in this pack in the future? I want to extend it, but still don't know what exactly you will want to see next... so post your suggestions here.

 

I love your boats, btw. Bought them all some time ago.

I still like the ideas that were given earlier in the thread. A coracle would be fabulous. Also a small sailing ship for cargo. Asian boats as well as maybe some early medieval boats would be nice. I would definitely buy them soon after they come out!

Your work is very very good and the models very high quality.

 

Thank you) - but you know... I need something more demanded, because my priority is to bring something that will interest many people.