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External Tools :: RE: Exporting animated models from 3Ds Max.

Vimalakirti — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:53:11 GMT

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or try this:

Link the IK solvers to an empty game object, and link the COG to that dummy, too. Then move that dummy.

Everything seems to work out if you put dummys or empty game objects in between.

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Unity Support :: RE: How do u freeze the cursor like in fps games

X-Developer — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:52:45 GMT

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Can you show me an example.

iPhone Development :: RE: Issue using Unity 2.6 and iPhone 1.5

Moondog90210 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:51:58 GMT

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@wozik Not sure how to find the case number. I sent bug direct from the 2.6 crash.

Just as an FYI - I did a test last night importing the asset directories one by one. Everything came in okay. Just lots of script errors on anything iPhone specific.

Let me know if you want to dig into this. I'll install the official release and see if it still happens.
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Unity Support :: RE: How to load Fractscape splat map manually in 2.6?

grnbriar — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:51:39 GMT

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So how do I uncompress your texture?
I didn't see any non compressed export option.
Can I set Fractscape to always export them in a format Unity can read as exported?

Scripting :: RE: XML, TXT custom-generated keys (JS)

Gaiyamato — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:51:35 GMT

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I'd love to see a solution to this, I was thinking of somthing similar for the AI in one of my older games.

Unity Support :: RE: Transition between textures

Discord — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:51:21 GMT

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Hmmm. I guess that solution never crossed my mind, ha. I'll give that a try.
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Scripting :: RE: Moving The Camera

Gaiyamato — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:49:20 GMT

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I cannot get the enable/disable for scripts to work in Unity Indie 2.6 either.

And Time takes a few extra lines of code to accurately calculate in Unity, if you use other software to track it unity is always out by small portions of a second each second and is not consistently out.
You can count accurately in increments, but by milliseconds is damn hard.

At least I have not found one given solution on the site or forums that actually works accurately when tested.

Unity Support :: RE: Transition between textures

Eric5h5 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:39:48 GMT

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In that case it seems to me you'd just use the 2-texture shader, and swap the textures in the material as needed.

--Eric

Gossip :: RE: Shorter Game = Better Game?

Asvarduil — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:39:09 GMT

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Jessy wrote:

You throw enough controlled chaos into the mix, and even a short game can last you a long time.

That's what got me thinking - I bought into the "Half-Minute Hero" thing, where you have multiple modes of play with 30 seconds (depending on scenario, challenges, and how much money you amass) to quickly figure out a way to get it done. Of course, the fun dosen't stop there - the next time I borrow my friend's PSP, I'm going to try to beat the opening stages beneath 30 seconds, obtain some alternate endings/titles to missions in Hero-30, and try some different item builds in Knight-30.

Another thing - think about Zelda: Majora's Mask. The "three day" limit makes the game a lot more hectic because you're not only fighting the contrived puzzles, the scavenger hunts in and out of dungeons, a couple of reasonably action-packed battles, but the timer as well. I personally felt defeating the Great Bay Temple to be a major accomplishment because it took so darn long! And yes, I took the time to hunt fairies for the Defense upgrade from the Bay Great Fairy.

I know these are two specific examples, but I'm beginning to think sticking a timer on some aspects of game play can be a very positive thing.
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Unity Support :: RE: Transition between textures

Discord — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:37:47 GMT

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Sorry, I guess I should be more specific.

Lets say you have three textures you want to cycle through. (Tex1, Tex2, Tex3)

Instead of just switching back and forth between two textures, it would cycle through the textures.

Tex1 -> Tex2 -> Tex3 -> Tex1 -> Tex2 -> Tex3 -> ect...
And it should fade from one texture to the next.
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Scripting :: RE: Newbie guide to Unity Javascript (long)

Goody! — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:28:34 GMT

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Great stuff! Very informative! If you can, please add to you array section how to access individual things stored in an array. I don't know how to take array element1 and subtract it from array element2. For example:

array of vextor3's

array element2[2,3,4] - array element1[1,2,3]

= result of [1,1,1] (somehow).

Thanks again!
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Teaching :: RE: Complete beginner

asterix — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:28:33 GMT

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If you never program object oriented (like me) get into some ActionScript. Things will be much more clear to you what all those . everywhere mean. You will switch easily to UnityScript.

I wish someone told me that before.
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Unity Support :: Physics for pulled wagon with front steering joint

BS-er — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:27:20 GMT

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Subject: Physics for pulled wagon with front steering joint
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:27 am (GMT 1)
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I'm trying to get my pulled wagon to work but the physics aren't coming out right. The front wheels are part of an assembly that rotates on a hinge. A force pulls on this, and the hinge rotates the front assembly with the front wheels, but the overall body wants to go in a straight line. Its rigid body is configured to allow rotation.

I have a simple and very small prefab as a unity package attached. It's comprised of simple blocks and cylinders. It has a force trying pulling on the front assembly in the +x direction. You can plop it on a simple flat terrain to demo it. If anyone cares to grab it and offer some suggestions, it could prove useful once solved. Or maybe I'm trying something that doesn't lend itself well to physical simulation.

ShaderLab :: RE: SSAO on custom shaders? Please help =3

Murcho — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:25:18 GMT

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Right now the reason your see no SSAO on objects using your custom shaders is they aren't being rendered into the Normal/Depth buffer. In order for that to happen, you need to give them a RenderType (see here for more information).

You may need to create your own RenderType, as your normal/depth information looks to be pretty specific. If you need to do that grab the Builtin Shader package from the Unity site and add it to the Camera-DepthNormalTexture shader. You will have to edit the SSAO shader to use this instead of the automated output added in 2.6, and setup manual rendering of the DepthNormal information through script.

Unity Support :: RE: How do u freeze the cursor like in fps games

Shawn — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:17:55 GMT

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http://unity3d.com/support/documentation/ScriptReference/Screen-lockCursor.html
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Multiplayer Networking :: RE: Physics and Laaaaggg

dreamora — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:17:33 GMT

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you can do that but you wouldn't sync the data forward and backward.

let the client run its simulation, let the server run its simulation and verify result if they are reasonable on the server (they will likely never be equal due to calculation unprecision)
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Scripting :: RE: Player -> Trigger works, but Trigger -> Player doesn't

cjcurrie — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:17:21 GMT

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If it is a matter of the rigidbody being asleep, you can send out messages on swing for the player.ridigbody.WakeUp(), which will prepare the player rigidbody for collision.
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Scripting :: RE: Moving The Camera

Eric5h5 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:13:27 GMT

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There's nothing described by the OP that would need Pro. Also it's usually a bad idea to use FixedUpdate for anything except physics; calculating time isn't a pain that I know of.

Anyway, use coroutines, something along these lines.

--Eric

Scripting :: XML, TXT custom-generated keys (JS)

cjcurrie — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:09:06 GMT

Author: cjcurrie
Subject: XML, TXT custom-generated keys (JS)
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:09 am (GMT 1)
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Hey, I have a harder problem:

Using System.IO, is it possible to have instances of a prefab create custom keys (eg prefabName_number_variable) and then somehow search for the keys and reload their values at runtime?

Ideally, it would work like this:

At runtime, if prefabName_id_variable : Key exists, read it. Else, create it.

As prefabName_id_variable changes, write the new value to an .xml, .txt, etc.

Now I can probably use something like

var prefabName : String = "CubePrefab";
var instanceNumber : int = 3;
var customKeyForHealth : String = prefabName + "_" + instanceNumber.ToString() + "_" + "health";

which would yield "CubePrefab_3_health" which is great, but how would I search out the key from the .xml, .txt, etc.? PlayerPrefs has funcitonality similar to this, but as far as I know there is very limited control over how many PlayerPrefs files there can be and where they are in the system. With custom .xml or .txt files for save games I can control the number and location of them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, since this concept is pivotal to a good save game system.
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Scripting :: RE: Player -> Trigger works, but Trigger -> Player doesn't

rozgo — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:08:59 GMT

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It seems as if triggers don't trigger when they move into a rigidbody that is asleep.

This was just a quick observation. I have situation right now where I'll have to figure out if this is really the case.
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Showcase :: RE: Unity3D--MyDemo--Ancient China

X-Developer — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:56:49 GMT

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Great Job!!! Try to get high resolution images of your game. It will look much better.

Unity Support :: RE: Upside Down problem...

Gaspedal — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:54:07 GMT

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good news guys!

I have today got following email:

"We are very sorry for the inconvenience it might have lead to, but the good news are that the problem has been fixed in our next release.
Thanks for your help.

Best regards

Unity Technologies
"

@The Scripter: that what you mean is other problem. Read our first postings and you will get the same bug. Also after importing the new Asset folders. As unity said, the bug is known and will be fixed in next release.
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Unity Support :: How do u freeze the cursor like in fps games

X-Developer — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:51:14 GMT

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Subject: How do u freeze the cursor like in fps games
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:51 am (GMT 1)
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How do u freeze the cursor so it doesn't go at of the window.

Multiplayer Networking :: RE: Physics and Laaaaggg

hypnoslave — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:49:00 GMT

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interesting. thanks a lot.

well, shit. it certainly seems like physics are a must for most games, at least to the extent of calculating player collisions and stuff like that. I hope it can handle physics on 20 players connected to a server + projectiles...

??

External Tools :: RE: Question to Modo Users

maxfax2009 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:47:31 GMT

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you can import animation from modo to Unity using FBX - just try it
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Unity Support :: RE: Transition between textures

Jessy — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:44:37 GMT

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It depends on what you mean by that. Two is straightforward.

Daniel Brauer offers one solution here, but we might be able to make it easier if you have clear specifications.

Wish List :: RE: Online Billing System

imbecile — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:43:59 GMT

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It certainly can be 3rd party. But as I said, stuff like that is not the prime area of competence for game developers, and certainly not the prime area of interest of game developers. So providing a streamlined process to get this kind of stuff out of the way quickly for people that don't want to spend too much effort on it is a great way to prevent people from reinventing the wheel badly all of the time.

It would be a great and profitable service for unity to offer, and also a great and profitable service for developers to use. Developers that don't have the resources/know how to build or license their own big time engine certainly also would be very pressed to have the resources to do such a billing system right.

Bigger publishers have/build their own system anyway.

Unity Support :: RE: Transition between textures

Discord — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:40:38 GMT

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Hypothetically, lets say that I am shader retarded...what would I add to make it handle three textures instead of two?
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Scripting :: RE: Moving The Camera

Gaiyamato — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:35:01 GMT

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If you are using Indie version some of that wont work.
Also I use Time.fixedTime a lot. Unity is a bit of a pain with calculating real time you need to count it yourself really.

Can you show us what code you have so far with your script?

Unity Support :: RE: How do I Do Cloth Physics in Unity?

dreamora — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:34:11 GMT

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it was never present in unity, as such it wasn't removed (cloth is newer than the PhysX version used by Unity from what I recall)

Also, there is no IK / FK present in unity directly, but you might be lucky as there is the locomotion system

You could try to replicate it, but it will neither be easy nor a small thing to do if you want to use it for more than capes and if it is meant to run performantly, because you will have to do cpu approximation of your metion along the animation (that happens fully on the gpu) to even stand a chance to simulate the cloths on it.
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Unity Support :: RE: Fuzzy texture with mipmap

Eric5h5 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:33:55 GMT

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ron333 wrote:

Is it possible to get Unity to improve its anisotropic algorithm?

Ask them to make the aniso level go past 9.

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iPhone Development :: RE: Why?rgb!=xyz

dreamora — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:31:38 GMT

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it is x y z, but in object coordinates, not world coordinates
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Unity Support :: RE: How do I Do Cloth Physics in Unity?

Mangopork — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:15:40 GMT

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Can't this just be done procedurally, with a script, though?

I mean at the very least all you would need is an IK bone tail and basic physics.

If this feature is no longer a part of unity, why was it removed?

What performance problem???

iPhone Development :: Why?rgb!=xyz

Minevr — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:13:38 GMT

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Subject: Why?rgb!=xyz
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I remember the red, green and blue correspond to x, y, z axis.
Why is this not the same as can be?

rgb==xyz

It's in "iPhone Standard Assets/Prefabs/Blob Shadow"

Why?
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Unity Support :: RE: Fuzzy texture with mipmap

ron333 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:13:09 GMT

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Hi Eric,

I am trying to do a realistic driving simulator using Unity. Hence a driver looks way down the road at the point where the road meets the sky. Its not good to have fuzzy lane markings.

Is it possible to get Unity to improve its anisotropic algorithm? I have a MacBook with NVIDIA GeForce 9400M. When I program in OpenGL, and do not use Unity, the lane markings are much better.

Ron

Gossip :: RE: Shorter Game = Better Game?

Jessy — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:12:29 GMT

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The thing is, though, is it really that many hours? I sunk a ton of hours into Kingdom Hearts, and Skies of Arcadia, for example, but it was mainly tedium � the same 5 seconds of gameplay repeated ad nauseum and then some.

You throw enough controlled chaos into the mix, and even a short game can last you a long time. My girlfriend and I have surely sunken hundreds of hours into Resident Evil 5's Mercenaries mode, for example - a small subset of the game - and we've loved it.

(I might add that RE5 is one of the nicest looking games around, and this particular mode is incredibly "short".)

Unity Support :: RE: Scale

Eric5h5 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:11:39 GMT

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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:11 am (GMT 1)
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You can change the scale of models in the import settings anyway.

--Eric

iPhone Development :: RE: Please stop that! it's enough!

iEarthHero1 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:08:02 GMT

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That guy coded so fast after reading this thread it sent him back in time so that he could post to iTunes in October! ;P

We are currently working on an algorithm that estimates total sales of an APP based upon available iTunes info.

We do not have enough confirmed samples yet for accurate predictions but the current algorithm predicts that this APP has been downloaded 20,247 times.

Not bad.

Thanks.
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Gossip :: RE: Shorter Game = Better Game?

Lab013 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:07:55 GMT

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As much as short games can be fun, if I play 50 dollars for a console game, I want around 20-30 hours of gameplay, and I really don't mind more.
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Gossip :: RE: Shorter Game = Better Game?

Eric5h5 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:01:19 GMT

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Subject: Re: Shorter Game = Better Game?
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I actually find I often prefer shorter games these days, like World of Goo and Braid, where they are "dense" and not drawn out with a lot of filler.

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Unity Support :: RE: Scale

Jessy — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:00:04 GMT

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That's not true. 1 Blender unit = 1 Unity unit. Check to see if your modeling app allows for adjustment.

Unity Support :: RE: How to load Fractscape splat map manually in 2.6?

Eric5h5 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:59:26 GMT

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grnbriar wrote:

It shows in UNity as compressed DXT5

As the error says, you have to set it to RGBA 32 (in Unity); compressed textures don't work. (Although, come to think of it, I believe compressed textures will actually work in 2.6 if I changed the script to allow it. However, uncompressed is better in any case.)

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Wish List :: RE: Online Billing System

Eric5h5 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:57:29 GMT

Author: Eric5h5
Subject: Re: Online Billing System
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:57 am (GMT 1)
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I think something like this is the purview of third-party developers, not a core Unity feature. As a third-party developer, I do actually have a system for Unity that covers some of your features. You can see it in action by downloading this. Right now it's limited to PayPal; Google Checkout is still too limited in terms of countries that are covered, last I checked (the majority of my sales are international). I'm interested in the Amazon system though.

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Unity Support :: RE: Scale

rygoody — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:57:01 GMT

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I noticed that the Unity FBX importer defaults to a scale of .1

Was wondering if this is the ideal way to interface with 3D apps. Make everything in the app at 10x the size, and import it to Unity at .1

If not, is there anyway to make the default import scale 1 instead of .1?

iPhone Development :: RE: Please stop that! it's enough!

daxx2k — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:54:22 GMT

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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:54 am (GMT 1)
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you gonna be kidding me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXrABnUgQDY

Unity Support :: RE: Normal mapping flipped.

Jessy — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:49:31 GMT

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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:49 am (GMT 1)
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http://forum.unity3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=24639

Scripting :: RE: Application.ExternalCall not working...seriously?

slgooding — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:45:29 GMT

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At the bottom of the page, just before </body> I have the default google code added:

Code:

Multiplayer Networking :: RE: Physics and Laaaaggg

dreamora — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:42:36 GMT

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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:42 am (GMT 1)
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There is very little you can do.
thats why physics were not used as elemental game play aspects in MP up to DX10 where the gpu power reached the required base so they can be calculated in a numerically stable and safer environment (-> through shaders).

Crysis is about the best example for that as physics only exist if you play the MP with Vista and DX10. The DX9 game and its servers have no physics.
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Unity Support :: RE: Camera errors upon start.

Befall — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:40:24 GMT

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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:40 am (GMT 1)
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Murcho wrote:

Your problem is coming from having objects too far from the origin. I assume by having objects that far away you are moving the camera near them at some point as well.

Can I ask why you need objects that far from the origin? Seems a little excessive.

The camera is that far away. It spawns that way. And any object I spawn does so near the camera.

Any way I can set the coordinates of my current view in the Inspection view?

Wish List :: RE: File System Access or local cache outside internet cache

dreamora — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:36:19 GMT

Author: dreamora
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:36 am (GMT 1)
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Thank you for the answer HiggyB

I fully agree with you and UTs stance that uncontrolled IO access is definitely no solution for anything.

But on a restricted and/or user grant base, I don't see a problem, thats why I called it artificial as there is no reason to totally block it.

Restricted Access: Only rw access to browser cache or user temp folder

User Grant Base: Similar to UAC, Rev4's webplayer and iPhone regulations, an attempt to access files with System.IO could generate a confirmation dialog that tells the user if read or write was attempted and in the optional details what file would be accessed.
This access would allow rw access to above folders + user documents and appdata/roaming

I personally would prefer the User Grant Base, because the temporary folders of browser and user are a fine place but "stealthy users" commonly have tools that flush both on shutdown
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